Jennifer spoiler

[BEFAN05]

Lucy make a mistake with Jennifer&Jennifer dies.

[MrsNick87]

Now usually if the intern makes a mistake with a patient, that's called malpractice, and Jennifer's family could easily file a lawsuit against not only the hospital but Lucy. AND LUCY HERSELF can get fired cause of that (even though she respected Jennifer's wishes and let her go to see her baby, and not tell anyone), esp. if the Munson's sue, the hospital would want to avoid all legal fights, and want to settle this somehow.

But i don't know, i'm just saying this from a medical point of view ( i'm not in the medical field, most of my family members are. but i don't know what may happen, i may not be correct with the whole malpractice thing, but that's what i would have done)

[Dustilu]

Jennifer doesn't die because she spent five hours away from the hospital when Lucy didn't chain her to the bed. Jennifer dies because she made a very bad, but very legal decision. Of course, it will be an attempt by the writers to make Jenn's death more interesting by everyone blaming Lucy. Meg's the only one at the hospital that has any sense.

Dusty to Meg "She's feverish, pale, and shaky". This is his description of Jenn. I guess he's not smart enough to realize that this woman is ill and should have stayed in the hospital. He seems to know everything else.

[southerncharm]

Personally---this all came about way to fast---leaving the hospital for a few hours sure didnt matter, at the rate of speed this happened!..Too fast...Too fast....geez

[MidwestGal]

I don't see where there would be any liability on the hospital's part or on Lucy's part for that matter. Jen signed herself out against medical advice and put that in writing.

If I was on the jury, I would vote in favor of the hospital on this one ;)

[Oakdalegirl]

I agree, Jennifer made her choice and nothing and no one was going to stop her.
It's all legal IMO. A patient has the right to accept or refuse medical attention.

Her situation is her own fault, and what good is she to Johnny now? She should have taken care of herself and listened to Bob and Lucy (atleast waited til they got the last test results in). Now Johnny will lose his mother because of her irresponsible actions.

[Grayson's girl]

I agree, Jennifer made her choice and nothing and no one was going to stop her.
It's all legal IMO. A patient has the right to accept or refuse medical attention.

Her situation is her own fault, and what good is she to Johnny now? She should have taken care of herself and listened to Bob and Lucy (atleast waited til they got the last test results in). Now Johnny will lose his mother because of her irresponsible actions.

No one knows with absolute assurance that Jennifer would have lived if she'd stayed in the hospital. From the sound of her diagnosis there was nothing that could have been done in that overnight stay to save her life or prolong it. There is no way that Jennifer could have become as ill as she is from no more than 5 or 6 hours at home. For her heart to be enlarged and damaged to the point where her organs are failing the process would have had to begin well in advance.

No it's not completely Lucy's fault but she did make a basic rookie mistake. She could have stalled, sought out a higher up along with other things. This isn't all on Jennifer nor is it all on Lucy, mistakes were made all around.

[bluyoda]

Ok, from what I saw, Lucy told Jen not to go, but Jen went anyway. I see no blame on Lucy's part. Beyond that I see no hope that Jenn would have lived anyway. She put on her clothes, signed papers, walked out of the hospital and went home, was welcomed by her family and collapsed within an hour. What good would it have done her to stay in the hospital? Would an additional hour of bed rest really have saved her life? I don't think so.

[CarJackfan]

While it was wrong of Jennifer to leave, I have to agree that she wasn't gone long enough that it would have made a difference.

As far as any liability on the part of the hospital, they discussed that with the fact that Jen signed saying she left against the recommendation of the doctor. Where I do put blame on the hospital is first off, Lucy, a pediatric intern, never should have been on the case and as an intern didn't have the authority anyhow to sign her out. As an intern, she should have gone immediately to a superior to say the patient was trying to leave. And when Jen did leave she should have still gone to somebody. She also asked Jen if she would come back if there was a problem with the xrays and Jen responded of course. Are we really to believe nobody looked at those xrays and instead a nurse just left the chart sitting outside the room :confused: :confused: Bottom line, I blame it on the writers for some really sloppy writing :rant: Lucy didn't even belong in this story :rolleyes: And it makes Bob look really imcompetent that he left Lucy in charge of Jen's case and never supervised her :rolleyes:

[happygirl]

Lucy didn't even belong in this story

IMO, this the writer's way of creating angst before Lucy and Dusty reunite.

Why not at least get a second opinion, the Dr.s were talking about a serious condition, it's not like Jennifer was debating which route to go for a cosmetic surgery procedure. :rolleyes:

[Dustilu]

While it was wrong of Jennifer to leave, I have to agree that she wasn't gone long enough that it would have made a difference.



I have to agree with this. If Jenn were that ill, there wasn't anything they were going to be able to do for her. I'm sort of having difficulty with this storyline. Someone close to me died when his lungs stopped functioning properly and his body systems began to shut down. One of the problems is a lack of oxygen to the brain, and irrational thinking, this happened about two hours before he went into a coma and passed. Then the decision to put the patient on a ventilator needs to be addressed. Why not discuss the benefits of a living will? There are difficult questions that need to be addressed when someone dies, and the soap could do some good with this storyline by addressing this. I guess ATWT is gonna cop out on this one and not make any of this realistic. If you're gonna have the guts to do a storyline like this, then have the guts to make it realistic. They've really copped out on this sort of stuff this summer.

[dustyfan1xxluvu]

I want Jen to live...why cant lucy die!! JKJK i know there are alot of Lusty fans out there but I mean jen is my favorite and I cant just handle her dieing...I thought that jen and Dusty would be great together in Marriage or anything!

[Mariyln_lee]

IMO, this the writer's way of creating angst before Lucy and Dusty reunite.

Why not at least get a second opinion, the Dr.s were talking about a serious condition, it's not like Jennifer was debating which route to go for a cosmetic surgery procedure. :rolleyes:
She needed a real opinion in the first place, not some two year, accelerated, pediatric intern's opinion ;)

[Scarlett_Echo]

I don't blame Lucy really. She did try to stop Jen and Jen can get so pushy when she wants her own way.
But I wonder, wouldn't it have been better if Lucy had contacted her superior to let them know what was going on?

[Mariyln_lee]

While it was wrong of Jennifer to leave, I have to agree that she wasn't gone long enough that it would have made a difference.

As far as any liability on the part of the hospital, they discussed that with the fact that Jen signed saying she left against the recommendation of the doctor. Where I do put blame on the hospital is first off, Lucy, a pediatric intern, never should have been on the case and as an intern didn't have the authority anyhow to sign her out. As an intern, she should have gone immediately to a superior to say the patient was trying to leave. And when Jen did leave she should have still gone to somebody. She also asked Jen if she would come back if there was a problem with the xrays and Jen responded of course. Are we really to believe nobody looked at those xrays and instead a nurse just left the chart sitting outside the room :confused: :confused: Bottom line, I blame it on the writers for some really sloppy writing :rant: Lucy didn't even belong in this story :rolleyes: And it makes Bob look really imcompetent that he left Lucy in charge of Jen's case and never supervised her :rolleyes:
ICAM. This is some sloppy writting on this end. I know this was rushed but it could have been done a bit better, imo.

[into]

Bob told Lucy if there were any problems to either page him or the doctor he left in charge. Lucy is so busy acting like she is a full fledge doctor instead of an intern. She always acted like a big know it all and never wanted to listen to anyone with more experience than she about anything. That is why she always ended up in bad situations.

[Paul & Meg Fan]

Lucy still should have never told Jenn she could go home against doctor's advice, that right there can get her into some hot water.

I agree though Lucy didn't belong in this story :rolleyes:

[CarJackfan]

IMO, this the writer's way of creating angst before Lucy and Dusty reunite.

Why not at least get a second opinion, the Dr.s were talking about a serious condition, it's not like Jennifer was debating which route to go for a cosmetic surgery procedure. :rolleyes:

This could also be a way to make sure that Lucy and Dusty never reunite. It would be out of character for Dusty to forgive her. He couldn't forgive Meg or even Emily when she helped save Johnny's life.

Also people don't usually get second opinions on pnuemonia. The one that should have been getting an opinion is Lucy because as an intern she can't make decisions regarding patient's release and always has to have an attending sign off on things. It was a major error on her part that she didn't call Bob or follow through on the xrays. I still think those things might not have made a difference, just as Jen leaving didn't really make a difference, however she did make serious procedural errors on her job.

[Khrystha]

This could also be a way to make sure that Lucy and Dusty never reunite

But they will... Wub

Thank you for this... :D

Forever Lusty... Wub Wub

[SugarCut]

Sorry, but while Lucy may not have done the right thing in telling Bob that Jennifer was insisting that she go home, despite that her health was serious is the only mistake she made. Jennifer was the one that decided that her health didn't matter and all she wanted to do was go home. Instead of telling Dusty that she didn't feel well once she was out of the hospital and was suddenly gasping for air, she kept insisting she was fine. Even Dusty failed to realize that something wasn't right with Jennifer; and when he was even told that Jennifer's health was grave by Meg, who, by the way, has more knowledge than Dusty will ever have when it comes to medical situations, he blew her off and basically tried to throw her and Paul out.

Dusty even snarked at Dr. Bob Hughes, saying that he was dead wrong and that he should keep quiet with his information. Instead of trusting him, he blew him off and decided to play God himself by rushing around trying to find someone else "better", when he knew deep down that Bob was being honest, and truthful in how serious Jennifer's condition had turned out.

Lucy may have made a mistake, but in my opinion, she wasn't the one that is going to cause Jennifer's demise...if any blame should be put on someone's shoulders, it should be that of Dusty and partially Jennifer (however, I could understand her desperate need to be with Johnny).

[Mariyln_lee]

This could also be a way to make sure that Lucy and Dusty never reunite. It would be out of character for Dusty to forgive her. He couldn't forgive Meg or even Emily when she helped save Johnny's life.

Also people don't usually get second opinions on pnuemonia. The one that should have been getting an opinion is Lucy because as an intern she can't make decisions regarding patient's release and always has to have an attending sign off on things. It was a major error on her part that she didn't call Bob or follow through on the xrays. I still think those things might not have made a difference, just as Jen leaving didn't really make a difference, however she did make serious procedural errors on her job.
Pnuemonia is something that is taken very seriously. She couldn't have signed off on her because like you said, she is only an intern. Lucy should have gotten a friggin backbone, stood up to Jenn and told her "no I can't do this. I'm risking your health and my job." and just left it up to someone else.

[Grayson's girl]

Dusty even snarked at Dr. Bob Hughes, saying that he was dead wrong and that he should keep quiet with his information. Instead of trusting him, he blew him off and decided to play God himself by rushing around trying to find someone else "better", when he knew deep down that Bob was being honest, and truthful in how serious Jennifer's condition had turned out.

I have to disagree here, Dusty's reaction had less to do with thinking Bob was inept and more to do with not being able to blithely accept her death. He's in denial, something ALL spouses go through when faced with their better half's death, and will do anything to save her simply because the thought of her dying is not one he can handle. This all is extremely sudden so it makes sense and fits with reality that he would need a second opinion and exhaust all possibilities before he can even begin to accept the inevitable.

[Nettie]

This subject is a little personal for me. I am living with an illness that is long term (waiting for a transplant). I do have a DNR, AND I have instructed my doctors to not give information to family without my consent. In the real world, no one but Jennifer could have the information to her illness. Dusty isn't legally married to her yet, she isn't a minor so her parents are not privy to the information either. I really dislike when programs make it seem so easy for relatives to get information. Thank you all for letting me vent!:)

[tarantula]

Ok I agree with you. Jen did had the right to sign herself ou. However Lucy is an intern. She had to report it to Bob right. Bob is Jen's doctor.

[Miss B. Haven]

According to Meg when she and Paul "looked" at Jen's chart Dr. Bob left Lucy in charge of of Jen's case. So IMO Lucy won't win the blame game. Look at it this way Jen isn't a real person and if you aren't real you can't really die now can you?;)

<layer id="google-toolbar-hilite-5" style="background-color: Yellow; color: black;">Meg</layer>: Jennifer's repeat chest x-ray shows a significant worsening in her condition.

Paul: Then why did bob let her go?

<layer id="google-toolbar-hilite-6" style="background-color: Yellow; color: black;">Meg</layer>: He didn'T. He left lucy montgomery in charge of jen's case.

Paul: What, so lucy's responsible?

<layer id="google-toolbar-hilite-7" style="background-color: Yellow; color: black;">Meg</layer>: Well, not entirely. The nurse said that jennifer left the hospital before anyone saw the results. And it says right here, "patient left against medical advice." I mean, lucy must've tried to convince her to stay.

Paul: Yeah, well she did a terrible job.

<layer id="google-toolbar-hilite-8" style="background-color: Yellow; color: black;">Meg</layer>: There's just so much anyone can do, paul. Patients can't be forced to stay against their will.





Nettie ITA with you. I know a little about patients rights myself ( I have a family member who had been dealing with an illness for 7 years) I hope it can work out for you.:)

[Paul & Meg Fan]

So is Lucy a "jack of all trades" now or something, why was she even in charge of Jenn's case, isn't she a pediatric intern or something?

[dwts]

So is Lucy a "jack of all trades" now or something, why was she even in charge of Jenn's case, isn't she a pediatric intern or something?

Girl, you know she's Dr. Lucy Howser, she knows everything- she can even teach Dr. Bob a thing or two about medicine.

I bet her next occupation will be liscensed therapist. She'll take another accelerated program at Oakdale U.

[Paul & Meg Fan]

Girl, you know she's Dr. Lucy Howser, she knows everything- she can even teach Dr. Bob a thing or two about medicine.

I bet her next occupation will be liscensed therapist. She'll take another accelerated program at Oakdale U.

LOL what was I thinking, I forgot she's Super Lucy ;)

[Mariyln_lee]

So is Lucy a "jack of all trades" now or something, why was she even in charge of Jenn's case, isn't she a pediatric intern or something?
Yes I suppose so :rolleyes: . I'm still trying to figure out how she hopped from peds to ICU :rolleyes:

[negril]

So is Lucy a "jack of all trades" now or something, why was she even in charge of Jenn's case, isn't she a pediatric intern or something?


Maybe you should ask the writers that question because they were asleep at the wheel when they wrote this rediculous story. Lucy is a pediatric intern, she should be dealing with children, not hard head growups.

The only person to be blamed for Jen walking out of the hospital is Jen, she killed herself plain and simple. As usual it's all about her and her wants and needs and since she choose to walk out of the hospital against medical advice, there is no one to blame for her demise but herself.

Anyway, I'm getting out the champagne, it's a good day, any day without Jen in Oakdale is a good day.

:happy: Party over here.

[Cdleebunny]

This is really old news.

[Paul & Meg Fan]

Yes I suppose so :rolleyes: . I'm still trying to figure out how she hopped from peds to ICU :rolleyes:

I smell alot Lucy propping going on, there's no reason at all for her to be in this storyline :rolleyes:

[dwts]

I smell alot Lucy propping going on, there's no reason at all for her to be in this storyline :rolleyes:


And score one for Spunky!
;)

[Paul & Meg Fan]

And score one for Spunky!
;)

:D